Comments on: Is the CFT Fair? http://jarheadonline.com/2008/11/19/is-the-cft-fair/ Because Jarheads are everywhere Fri, 02 Jul 2010 21:21:17 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Alex http://jarheadonline.com/2008/11/19/is-the-cft-fair/comment-page-1/#comment-1443 Alex Tue, 03 Nov 2009 01:24:19 +0000 http://jarheadonline.com/?p=409#comment-1443 Work on both and quit complaining... When I joined the Corps I could only do 13 pull ups and I have done as many as 42 in the last little while. The CFT is a different monster but in combat you dont get to choose what happens so deal with it. Work on both and quit complaining… When I joined the Corps I could only do 13 pull ups and I have done as many as 42 in the last little while. The CFT is a different monster but in combat you dont get to choose what happens so deal with it.

]]> By: Andrea http://jarheadonline.com/2008/11/19/is-the-cft-fair/comment-page-1/#comment-1359 Andrea Fri, 14 Aug 2009 03:59:56 +0000 http://jarheadonline.com/?p=409#comment-1359 Well, to start things out Josh, I am going to assume you didn't excel in school based off of your spelling. I, however, did well in school and I am about to share a secret with you...: Women and Men are built different. Crazy, I know. There is a physical difference in the way males and females are put together. Women have wider hips, for obvious reasons. Men have wider shoulders with more muscle mass than women do. Of course there are always exceptions, like you said. I have seen some dudes that had some junk in their trunk, and some females pt their male platoons into the dirt...to say the least. Do you think a group of "Nasty Female Marines" made up the PFT scoring system?? Chances are good that a group of old men came up with these standards... So trying to make a "One Size Fit's All" scoring standard is like comparing apples to oranges. It sounds to me that you are more concerned by what people are doing around you, not your own career. Know yourself and seek self improvement, Marine. Congrats, you can max out a flex arm hang...now quit whining and max out your pull ups, Nancy.... How about an "Aye Ma'am!", something...? Well, to start things out Josh, I am going to assume you didn’t excel in school based off of your spelling. I, however, did well in school and I am about to share a secret with you…: Women and Men are built different. Crazy, I know. There is a physical difference in the way males and females are put together. Women have wider hips, for obvious reasons. Men have wider shoulders with more muscle mass than women do. Of course there are always exceptions, like you said. I have seen some dudes that had some junk in their trunk, and some females pt their male platoons into the dirt…to say the least. Do you think a group of “Nasty Female Marines” made up the PFT scoring system?? Chances are good that a group of old men came up with these standards… So trying to make a “One Size Fit’s All” scoring standard is like comparing apples to oranges. It sounds to me that you are more concerned by what people are doing around you, not your own career. Know yourself and seek self improvement, Marine. Congrats, you can max out a flex arm hang…now quit whining and max out your pull ups, Nancy…. How about an “Aye Ma’am!”, something…?

]]> By: Josh http://jarheadonline.com/2008/11/19/is-the-cft-fair/comment-page-1/#comment-1353 Josh Sat, 01 Aug 2009 15:44:35 +0000 http://jarheadonline.com/?p=409#comment-1353 I agree with the weight difference. I have always thought it is complete fuckin bullshit that females only had to do a flex arm hang for 70 seconds, while males have to do 20 pull ups. I weigh anywhere from 145-160 lbs, and I have only done 20 pullups once, and I trained for it a lot. I can do a flexed arem hang for about two minutes though. So the PFT is not equal either. The Marine Corps preaches equality, but to be honest, eaqual is equal; meaning, males and females should have the same exact scooring policy, making it equal. I know females that can out PT males by a long shot, so saying a female can't do this or that is bullshit. The same goes for males, some males can't do certain things, they just aren't able. My point is that the Marine Corps has no integrity when it comes to "Equal Oppertunity" and the scoring of physical fitness. Lets be real for a minute.....we are an elite force. Everyone should be graded on the same score, regardless of the sex. If that person male, or female alike, cannot perform, than they should have joined another service. I joined to be the best there is, an elitist, something better than the army. I feel we are just as bad if we score differently. I know females that can do a male 300 PFT and not sweat it. It is not possible for all to do, or even pass, but hey, that would make us a stronger, better corps if everyone had the same standard. If they can't hack, pack. I agree with the weight difference. I have always thought it is complete fuckin bullshit that females only had to do a flex arm hang for 70 seconds, while males have to do 20 pull ups. I weigh anywhere from 145-160 lbs, and I have only done 20 pullups once, and I trained for it a lot. I can do a flexed arem hang for about two minutes though. So the PFT is not equal either. The Marine Corps preaches equality, but to be honest, eaqual is equal; meaning, males and females should have the same exact scooring policy, making it equal. I know females that can out PT males by a long shot, so saying a female can’t do this or that is bullshit. The same goes for males, some males can’t do certain things, they just aren’t able. My point is that the Marine Corps has no integrity when it comes to “Equal Oppertunity” and the scoring of physical fitness. Lets be real for a minute…..we are an elite force. Everyone should be graded on the same score, regardless of the sex. If that person male, or female alike, cannot perform, than they should have joined another service. I joined to be the best there is, an elitist, something better than the army. I feel we are just as bad if we score differently. I know females that can do a male 300 PFT and not sweat it. It is not possible for all to do, or even pass, but hey, that would make us a stronger, better corps if everyone had the same standard. If they can’t hack, pack.

]]> By: joe http://jarheadonline.com/2008/11/19/is-the-cft-fair/comment-page-1/#comment-1342 joe Fri, 03 Jul 2009 20:27:28 +0000 http://jarheadonline.com/?p=409#comment-1342 yeah, there is a reason why the current pft is based on own bodyweight and not somebody else's... yeah, there is a reason why the current pft is based on own bodyweight and not somebody else’s…

]]> By: Mizzo http://jarheadonline.com/2008/11/19/is-the-cft-fair/comment-page-1/#comment-1281 Mizzo Sat, 25 Apr 2009 00:55:50 +0000 http://jarheadonline.com/?p=409#comment-1281 I understand the equality point, but I think you are missing the larger point. The time is adjusted for females. Do you think in combat that there will be equalizers based on weight and gender? If you can't handle running with 2 ammo cans, train to it. You get extra time for the CFT to make up for the physiological differences. If you can't do it period, you may be a combat liability and need to do some soul searching. I understand the equality point, but I think you are missing the larger point. The time is adjusted for females. Do you think in combat that there will be equalizers based on weight and gender? If you can’t handle running with 2 ammo cans, train to it. You get extra time for the CFT to make up for the physiological differences. If you can’t do it period, you may be a combat liability and need to do some soul searching.

]]> By: Akinoluna - a female Marine http://jarheadonline.com/2008/11/19/is-the-cft-fair/comment-page-1/#comment-682 Akinoluna - a female Marine Sat, 29 Nov 2008 18:50:31 +0000 http://jarheadonline.com/?p=409#comment-682 Thanks for that post! I'm glad you understood what I was saying. I was afraid people would think I was just whining about having to carry heavy things. :-) Sidenote: My taller-than-me sister had a totally different problem with the fireman's carry. All the people close to her own weight were super SHORT! She said she had to squat "almost all the way down and then try to stand up" to carry them! haha... Thanks for that post! I’m glad you understood what I was saying. I was afraid people would think I was just whining about having to carry heavy things. :-)

Sidenote: My taller-than-me sister had a totally different problem with the fireman’s carry. All the people close to her own weight were super SHORT! She said she had to squat “almost all the way down and then try to stand up” to carry them! haha…

]]> By: Jerry http://jarheadonline.com/2008/11/19/is-the-cft-fair/comment-page-1/#comment-550 Jerry Fri, 21 Nov 2008 20:54:41 +0000 http://jarheadonline.com/?p=409#comment-550 This is a great point. I think that there are shortcomings in this CFT as it is described here, although they are trying to have Marines combat ready. Maybe they should do it as a percentage of the Devil Dog's body weight, and let that lead to a calculation for what they are required to carry? Obviously they will carry as much as they can, but that would even it out between the larger and smaller Marines. They do need to have some insurance that it is fair to everyone who is putting forth a motivated effort. Thanks for the updates. Jerry This is a great point. I think that there are shortcomings in this CFT as it is described here, although they are trying to have Marines combat ready. Maybe they should do it as a percentage of the Devil Dog’s body weight, and let that lead to a calculation for what they are required to carry? Obviously they will carry as much as they can, but that would even it out between the larger and smaller Marines. They do need to have some insurance that it is fair to everyone who is putting forth a motivated effort. Thanks for the updates.
Jerry

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